Will Dodge Build Rams for Nissan?



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Ken Freund

I’ve always been crazy about anything with an engine.

After years of pestering my father, he finally let me drive a car - at nine years of age. At 14 I taught myself to drive stick shifts and then how to ride motorcycles. Later, I also learned to fly and have had my pilot’s license for 22 years. Working on, riding, driving, restoring, photographing and writing about all these wonderful machines has always been my passion. I've been an auto vo-tech and smog test instructor, certified master technician, vehicle inspector, shop foreman, service manager, service director, and shop owner. Over the years I’ve owned about 35 bikes and 50 cars and trucks, a lot of which I wish I had never sold!

 

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Will Dodge Build Rams for Nissan?
By Ken Freund | Published  01/23/2008
With the high cost of developing vehicles, partnerships are probably a necessary evil, or at least a reality, if Chrysler is to survive and prosper. Back in November, 2007 I wrote a blog about Chrysler partnering with Nissan. Following that, Nissan and Chrysler announced they will sell a Chrysler-badged version of the Nissan Versa in South America. Chrysler is also working on a version of its minivan that it will soon begin making for VW, and another small-car project with Chinese manufacturer Chery.

No big deal for Ram enthusiasts, but now there’s more. Several sources report that a second Nissan product partnership is underway. This one involves full-size Ram pickups. Interested now?

Nissan has been disappointed with sales of its Titan pickup, which came out in late 2003. The Titan is now due for a major update, which is very costly. So instead, Nissan is considering simply buying a rebadged version of the new Dodge Ram, which made its debut at the Detroit Auto Show. A few years ago this would have been unthinkable.

Major decisions like whether Nissan would assemble the trucks at its Canton, Mississippi factory, or let Dodge build them on its own pickup-truck line are still undecided. Dodge Rams are available in a wide range of cab, chassis, and engine configurations. Other considerations, such as how different the Nissan and Dodge versions will be, and whether Nissan will have the same wide variety of options, including our beloved Cummins diesel option, are said to still be in the works.

The Japanese seem to have had a much harder time figuring out the full-sized American pickup truck market than any other segment of the auto industry. I think there are a number of reasons for this. One major factor is that pickups offered by the American Big Three have huge option lists and come in a slew of varieties which allow buyers to tailor the truck more closely to their needs. None of the Japanese manufacturers have offered a dually, a heavy duty diesel, or a true ¾ or 1-ton pickup with the payload and tow ratings of the American brands. It also seems like full-size pickup truck buyers tend to be more pro buy American than other groups of new-vehicle buyers.

This move by Nissan seems to be a tacit admission of their inability to capture this last big chunk of the pie. What do you think of Dodge selling rebadged Rams as Nissans, or of Nissan selling Titans which are really Rams?
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  • Comment #1 (Posted by Mark McKinney)

    I don't think this is a big deal as ford sells rangers to Mazda (which is ford) and chevy used to buy the luv pickup from izuzu. They then sold S-10s to them. I would have never thought the full size truck would be for sale by a Japanease competitor, but this may be a way to dig themselves out of a hole. Nissan may have better deals and some cool options on these as well.
     
  • Comment #2 (Posted by N. Costello)

    It seems that no matter what Toyota or Nissan come up with, I always see their full size trucks on the road and think "That just doesn't look full size" even though the dimensions are there. The power is there too. I think the reasons are proportions and not size. As if the wheel wells are too large for the tires, or the door handles look too small, or the grille is too small for the size of the vehicle. My gut feeling tells me that the re-badged/re-styled Dodges would do worse than "real" Dodges...which fall short of Ford and GM sales. I don't see how they could expect to beat Ford and GM with that kind of thinking if they already can't. I'd be embarassed to drive a Nissan Dodge when I could drive a "real" Dodge. Nobody likes a Copycat.
     
  • Comment #3 (Posted by Bill S)

    I have no use for a 1/2 ton pickup and am not in the market for one, however, if I were, why would I go to Nissan (50 miles away) to buy a rebadged Dodge when I could go to my local Dodge dealer (5 miles) and buy the real thing? The only advantage for rebadging a Dodge by Nissan that I see is maybe in the non-USA market. As far as Chrysler LLC rebadging Dodge pickups for Nissan, I makes no difference to me.

    Bill


     
  • Comment #4 (Posted by mike)

    very weak, i have a titan.i went with it specifically because it wasn't domestic.i wanted a nice tough truck with reliability and i have it with the titan.nissan needs to build there own multi purpose trucks.
     
  • Comment #5 (Posted by AHUGHES)

    I just have to say if Nissan (Renault) combine to make my beloved Dodge truck I'll have to buy Toyota or Honda. Being in WW2 and how the French have treated us since saving them from the Germans I don't and won't buy anything with a french attachment. Do you think Nissan would be even selling what they are in this country if they advertised they were owned by Renault? I think not. I hope Cerebus and Cummins think this out?

     
  • Comment #6 (Posted by Al)

    As I see it, it is a way to help Chrysler get back on track. The 2009 truck looks Hot! And why not have more of the same out there! This deal making between manufacturers it nothing new, and Chrysler has done it with other companies in the past. The deal decades ago between them and Mitsu helped to get them out of the hole, so why not now!
     
  • Comment #7 (Posted by Scott T.)

    I see this idea as a poor one that is not thought out completely. Since all re branded vehicle's where unsuccessful why do it and ruin the Dodge name, with Nissan standards and quality being so low! Who wants to be linked to Nissan that was Datsun and now has ties to Renault when that company continues to produce products that have performance, quality and reliability issues. I believe that Dodge has a product that should be kept at Dodge and not help a company like Nissan who really should close there automotive business and let the really car manufactures produce quality cars and trucks maybe toasters would be a better choice for Nissan/Datsun/Renault.
     
  • Comment #8 (Posted by Tyler)

    I think this idea is insain. a Dodge is an all american truck and shouldnt be crossed with some other truck that cant sell on its own. and Cummins Diesel should stay only in Dodge, not in a redbadge dodge.
     
  • Comment #9 (Posted by Tyler C.)

    Scott i fully support you on this. Dodge is an excellent truck and blows ford and GM trucks away in gas and diesel. why rebuild something that is already leading the market in the publics eyes? and Dodge has the CUMMINS! which is leading the diesel market already up until 2010!!!!! why let another have a shot at that?! Dodge should stay true to itself! only the strong survive, and aparently nissan isnt strong enough so let them fade away.
     
  • Comment #10 (Posted by mathew dodson)

    i think your right about chrysler partnering with other companies to survive, and as far as nissan buying nissan badged dodges i think thats fine as long as nissan tries to keep it as "nissan" as possible.
     
  • Comment #11 (Posted by an unknown user)

    I don't think it would hurt Dodge much. Chevy sold the S-10 and Colorado pickup to Isuzu. I think if a person wants a truck they will buy the main maufacturers vehicle
     
  • Comment #12 (Posted by M. Talamantes)

    I don't know about anybody else but this seems very, very "WRONG" in my
    book, who cares if nissan is happy with their raggedy truck sales or not!!
    Why is this Dodge's problem? Answere: IT'S NOT!!! Let them build their own damn truck!!! and i hope Cummins stay's out of this mess for sure.


     
  • Comment #13 (Posted by AHUGHES)

    AFTER FIGHTING IN WW2 AND SAVING THE FRENCH'S REARENDS. NOT THE ONES IN THEIR TRUCKS EITHER I WON'T KNOWINGLY BUY ANYTHING MADE BY THE FRENCH. RENAULT OWNS NISSAN. HOW MANY NISSANS DO YOU THINK THEY'D SELL IF THEY ADVERTISED THAT THEY WERE A FRENCH COMPANY?
     
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