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Originally Posted by jelag
Someone please help me out.... when I was in college we learned in fuels class that the only way to break hydrogen from water was in a chemical process like overcharging a batter... as a battery overcharges the gases that escape that charging battery are O2and H2.
We were also taught the damage to the battery from a short or spark at the time the overcharge was taking place.... the hydrogen would explode in the right air fuel ratio...
The point I'm trying to make.... was that the energy to release the O and H2 from the bond was something like 80% of the value of the H2 so using this method wouldn't release enough H2 at a cost effective price to work...
At looking at the web sight and the device I seen nothing that really says your releasing the H from the H2O... if you are doing nothing but heating the water.... you actually have water vapor, (steam) but not a chemical process to release the H2 from the H2O.
Am I missing something here.... or is this a crock of bull..... or are the percentage of you in the same position I'm in and just don't see that in your post...
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Jim, the basic underlying factor is not WHETHER there is enough Hydrogen and Oxygen available in water for power, but rather, the availability of an efficient method to release it in a gaseous form that can be used for heat and power. And no, they're not simply "heating the water" to release steam...
On the one hand, we have example after example of individuals and makers of these systems who can clearly demonstrate that it DOES work - and then we have on the other side, guys quoting various scientists and technical textbook saying it's impossible.
That leaves a few of us confused souls literally watching as "impossible" methods power - to at least a small degree - vehicles right in front of our faces - and what do we believe, what we clearly SEE, or those dusty textbooks? Are we really to believe that EACH and EVERY one of the displays we see are from thieves and liars?
Keep in mind, that at this stage, we're not talking about powering the engine ENTIRELY with HHO - but merely supplementing it enough to realize a relatively modest improvement in MPG!
In another related thread, it was claimed that it takes about 1 HP to put out 30 amps in a typical car alternator - and I'm pretty comfortable with that estimate, because I myself built a 1 HP Briggs and Stratton lawnmotor powered GM alternator setup to charge my dad's RV batteries for him - that setup would nearly stall the 1 HP motor at first startup as the ammeter indicated 35 amps, but then ran nicely as the amperage settled down to the 25 amp or so range.
Most of the HHO systems discussed here, fall in the 15-20 amp draw range, which means an added load on the engine to power the alternator of about 1/2 HP - and *I*, personally, have a VERY difficult time, based upon demos I have seen, believing that it's "impossible" for these typical HHO setups to NOT generate enough gasses to recover that 1/2 HP, and THEN some!
