dse in truck 04-05 CTD

[Msilbernagel]

CJ,

Ok, here is the University work I'd mentioned.

It's actually pointed to from a thread here in TDR:

TDR Thread on DSE

In response #48, JGann points to a great resource on biodiesel and WVO/SVO at infopop.cc. That article is:

Biodiesel Forum article on DSE

That article has a 'read this first' link:

Facts about Diesel Secret...

Don't alarmed by their attitude. I refer to it because it has a link to the University of Idaho's paper (a MS Word document) that was a 'literature search' - meaning they did the legwork finding all that stuff - on using raw vegetable oils either straigt or mixed with #2 diesel, and also looking at indirect and direct injection engines and how the fuels performed.

The University's paper is found at:

University of Idaho article on raw oils in diesel engines

About half way down is a link to the word document itself:

Using Unmodified Vegetable Oils as a Diesel Fuel Extender – A Literature Review

Lastly, here's another nice collection of information:

Straight Vegetable Oil As Diesel Fuel

Personally, I try and learn from folks taking an opposing view. I might interpret their information differently, but it is often a good way to get educated on a matter. In this case, I think there is 'smoke' -- and, so, the real issue is whether or not DSE addresses the potential problems with using raw vegetable oils as fuel in our direct injected Cummins.

No panic, just a healthy concern, and therefore that 'trust but verify' attitude.

I don't see where you live - if we knew, perhaps someone nearby would volunteer to help you perform a periodic check on the injectors. If not, I'd consider contributing to a 'pool' to help pay to have it done.

What do you think?

Thanks and good luck!

Mark

[JPereira]

CJ,
Did you add any additional fuel filters before using the WVO mix? I had read that paper filters can expand from WVO and did not know if the stock fuel filter had any paper in it? I am fairly certain the stock filter is synthetic material but could not find details on it. I am in the process of collecting Soy Oil from a local source. I am going to be using a WVO and diesel mix in my 4.5. I am also going to try this in my furnace at a very low ratio.
Thanks, Jeff

[Jengle]

Very good info. Keep this one going, guys.

[Garry Verheyden]

Cj
Am I reading this post right that yuo are using WVO mixed with #2. Or are you making biodiesel? I am soon going to be mixing my own bio but like to hear other peoples results first. Thanks
Garry

[Jeepmullet]

Be careful trusting what "girl mark'' has to say about alternative fuels. She authored a book about how to make your own appleseed processor to manufacture biodiesel. I read several threads where she was argumentative with other members of that site over petty things.

I understand she has helped tons of people with their processors for making bio, but wouldnt necessarily take what she said about other things without first getting out a grain of salt.

[jayadam63]

I just think it's important to note that DSE isn't SVO or WVO. It's a blend. Blending is controversial because the blends themselves can vary. One can have great results and another can have injector buildup and coking. But blending is in no way the same thing as SVO or WVO.

DSE is more than just blending #2 diesel and Oil. As a matter of fact, the premier suggested forumula has a ratio of 20 oil, 2 kero and 1 rug w/DSE and Diesel Kleen. This isn't WVO or SVO. It's a blend. It's also important to note that this blend does not include #2 diesel. #2 diesel blended with oil has been reported by a few on the other boards to cause the mysterious white film, hard crystals in the fuel filter and injector buildup. Those who used RUG along with the oil reported that they got a more complete burn. This is what I've read. I'm not making these statements based upon first hand knowledge.

I've noticed that because there is no proof that blends work to avoid the pitfalls of WVO / SVO, people make up tons of stuff both pro and con. But it's frustrating to read people to refer to DSE as WVO / SVO. It's not.

[cj hall]

Hello all
Got back from road trip sunday night first tank of fuel (dse blend at 100 %) I got 13.5 miles to the gallon pulling a 4 horse trailer then switched to #2 fuel and it droped to 11.2 miles per gallon then it came back up to 11.8 at the end of the trip. (3155 miles in three days I need a bigger tank)
More info to be posted later tonight if I get a chance

[csnider]

Cj,
thanks for the updates. Does your #2 mpgs from your trip compare to your previous #2 mpgs before you started using the DSE blend? Also when you filled up with #2 on your trip how much DSE blend was still in your tank before you stopped heating your filter(if you did)?
Does anyone know if this heated fuel practice is damaging to my first gen VE pump. I know they are not as durable as the P7100..
Once again, thanks Cj for all your updates....
Chuck

[cj hall]

hello all
the mpg are down becuse of the winter blend fuel I went to Malta Mt today 80 mph up and back 412 miles round trip truck using #2 fuel getting 17.5 mpg
not to bad
Went to the diesel place today going to dino the 04 next monday at 1.00 pm
on #2 fuel then on dse blend this should tell me if iam down on hp /torque
as far as the filters go there stock filters not heated nothing .The heated filters are used for svo not for dse blend fuel when we refueled in Rapid City we put in 33.091 gallons so there was about 3 gallons left in the tank the next time we filled up was in mitchel sd 26.65 gallons and so on so there was not much fuel left it returned to the loud diesel truck in no time.
hope this helps
more post;s to come
cj hall

[cj hall]

no go on the dyno time they broke some thing didn't tell me what is was
just found out today said they will call when it's running
back on dse blend fuel as of 11/19/05
thinking about running for 1000 miles then pulling out one or two of the injectors to see if any thing is going wrong other than that the truck is running great back to the diesel truck that smells like a BBQ when running

[cj hall]

Hello all
I was at the dodge dealer today they have a 05 ctd in the shop with a #6 piston bore scored the only thing is that this truck is stock no chip no power box nothing (NO MODS). they did not know what caused this to happen cummins was not sure what happened .if you look at the walls of the rest of the bores it looks to me as if the fuel injection is putting to much fuel in to the motor and its washing the walls down this truck is a farm truck and farmers are use to letting there trucks idle for long periods of time! the person working on the truck said that this was about the 14 truck (all 05's )they have seen and have replaced the engine .(this scares me!!!!)

yes my 04 is running great on dse fuel no problems and I think is person might help me pull the injectors on my truck to see if there are any problems starting .I will let you know that we find

[cj hall]

This weekend it got cold and it snowed, no problems starting or running lows in the low 20's changed fuel filter sat night would not rev up over 2500 rpms way down on power, dirty filter at about 5000 miles sence last change. not sure if its my fuel or road trip might have got in to dirty fuel will keep checking filter to see if this goes away.also added more kero for winter 3 gallons in 30 gallon mix
Small trip to Malta, Mt to pick up freind, 412 miles RT , mileage should be at 17 to 18 mpg, Maybe better lets hope.
Will post after I get home.

[cj hall]

the milage on the truck is 48000 miles I ask how many hr's did it idle, they just said a lot, something is not right and I think there keeping it to themself

[cj hall]

Hello
The fuel at 100% no other fuel added will not work at 14 deg's it gels up will run at 18 deg's but is hard to get any power out of if you mix the fuel with #2 at 75 /25 its good as far as i can tell the best is 50 / 50 mix
Its 16 degs to day and I have a 75 /25 mix in the truck and it's running great
yesterday I went to Malta Mt 412 miles rt from Billings Mt temps in the low 20's
Fuel mix was at 90% dse 10% winter blend diesel it ran fine and got great millage 19.5 on the way up and 18.5 on the way back faster speed on the way back at times also 4 wheel drive for about 100 miles slower in four wheel
75 mph upon cruise control and 85 mph back four wheel drive at 65 mph, yes its montana the roads can be faster in winter the pot holes fill up with snow and you can go faster.
Testing fuel mix this week to find out jell points also testing additives for changing the jell points will keep you posted.
thanks

[Msilbernagel]

Originally Posted by cj hall

Testing fuel mix this week to find out jell points also testing additives for changing the jell points will keep you posted.
thanks

Thanks for allowing us to follow along as you try this stuff out, and to learn along with you!

Mark
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