dse in truck 04-05 CTD

[cj hall]

hello
went to the store and bought 10 mason jars and put dse fuel in each jar 1 0z to 10oz
then filled the jars with #2 fuel (winter blend) up to the 10 oz each jar
10 jars with fuel blends from 10% to 100% dse blended fuel will be taking them outside for the night then in the am will see what has happened to all the mixes and post back in the am then i will test some antijell in the mixes and test some more also will be posting some pic of the fuel
(anti jell will be tested with #2 summer fuel if i can find some)
this fuel is from a batch i made last weekend dse standard mix plus 3 more gallons of kero for winter use also this is the fuel that did jell up on me tuesday when the temp was at 14 deg's but did run me up to malta and back
with the addition of 5 gallons of #2 diesel (winter blend) in my 35 gallon tank
temp outside is 9 degs taking the fuel out
will post later tonight then in the am

[JCrockett]

CJ great thread. Sounds like things are working out ok. Do you live in MT? That is where I am originally from.

On edit: Just ordered the info packet, have to see how well it works.

[cj hall]

wow its cold here
5 deg's , looked at the samples this am. Will post some pic's of them
Think this will work in the winter time with some thinking .
at work for a few, off to get some antijell looking for the best to buy.

j crockett yes Billings Mt
If you build a unit take a look at the one I made, FILTER SYSTEM DONE
three pages in on this topic.
good luck

[cj hall]

the pic are of the jars with dse fuel blend/ from left to right 10% to 100% mix with #2 fuel
10 to 70 % at 5 deg was fine this am but from 80 to 100% was solid and as it got warmer the 80% mix came back also the 100% unfroze faster than the 90% fuel did

iI think that a 50/50 mix should be good for the cold thats what i will start running today.
also the next test will be the last two pic's it looks like one maker that I found is working on making a antijell for bio fuel and that it will work in veg oil and veg oil blends lets hope so.

[cj hall]

Hello All
trying to test on samples of fuel starting out with the bio fuel stuff first
the first thing i do is pull up the msds sheets on these prouducts this is the best think to do with any product your going to try.
http://www.fppf.com/msds/msds_BioDWT.pdf
the bio fuel mix is nothing more then ind grade solvents the same stuff almost that is in dse additive
it says that its good for 20 bio fuel but it mixes with veg oil great
the co says thay can blend a mix for your needs (aka a custom mix) I will be calling them this week to find out more.
have to mix some fuel tonight so I can test in the cold should be -8 wed night this will give me what I need to find out if it works.
some fuel outside for the last three days temp have been 5 to 18 degs and the 100% mix with 5 time's the amount of bio antijell has not frozen its still a liquid but it's is very thick
the rest of the jars have the right amount of aditive in them for 20% bio fuel and they are better that the test before nothing has frozen.
more posts to come after wed night

[cj hall]

last night -5 tonight should be -10 or lower
lets hope this works

[cj hall]

Hello all
The fuel is still a liquid it got down to -14 and I think in bigger amounts it should be fine
also called FPPF and the faxed me a copy of what biodiesel things they have tested the person I need to talk to is swamped with calls .will call after it gets a little warmer.
If you want a copy of that, you can call them or I could fax you what they faxed me. 6 pages
The info is the pros and cons of using bio what it is and what it does to fuel lines and other rubber parts ,and how to use it in the winter time. Very good reading
looking to be cold tonight
thanks for looking
more posts later

[Msilbernagel]

Originally Posted by JGann

I just think it's important to note that DSE isn't SVO or WVO. It's a blend.[...] DSE is more than just blending #2 diesel and Oil. As a matter of fact, the premier suggested forumula has a ratio of 20 oil, 2 kero and 1 rug w/DSE and Diesel Kleen.

On that subject (blending) - I ran across this today (below). It referenced the use of RUG as a potential problem w.r.t. flash-point.

I read someone's post in the past few days where the heating effect of recirculating fuel (as it cools the high-pressure fuel pumps in our Cummins) had heated his fuel, in-tank, in excess of 160F (about 1/4 tank). He probably had some other things going on, but imagine that scenario with low flash-point additives mixed in?

It's just another thing to consider when weighing the use of blending with SVO/WVO against the effort of making or the cost of purchasing biodiesel.

Diesel Fuel Discussions

Here are a few notable quotes:

"Adding kerosene and gasoline to diesel can have dramatic, adverse effects on the flash point, with minimal gains in the flow properties if the fuel already contains flow-improving additives. Regardless of what other people may advise, check your insurance policies before embarking on experimentation. These days, assessors for both vehicle and insurance companies these days are far more aware of the signs of the dilution of expensive diesel fuel by cheaper lower flash fuels."

"Thirdly, diesel in many countries has a legal minimum flash point ( the minimum temperature it must attain to produce sufficient vapours to ignite when a flame is applied. In all cases it's usually well above ambient ( 60C+, kerosene is 37C+, whereas gasoline is typically below -30C ), and anybody mixing a lower flash point fraction with diesel will usually void all insurance and warranties on the vehicle. The recent increase in blending fuels has resulted in significantly more frequent analyses of fuel tank contents from diesel vehicle fires."

So - be careful out there!! Especially as summer arrives.

Regards,

Mark

[cj hall]

But biodiesel is made with alky or enthenol what are their flash points?
as far as ins companys they are all blood sucking scum. if they can find a way to not pay they make more money,not much better than the oil companys or the govt. blending or not one thing wrong and their not paying
thats just the way it is..

[Msilbernagel]

Originally Posted by cj hall

But biodiesel is made with alky or enthenol what are their flash points? as far as ins companys they are all blood sucking scum. if they can find a way to not pay they make more money,not much better than the oil companys or the govt. blending or not one thing wrong and their not paying
thats just the way it is..

I tend to agree with you on the insurance companys, but you can't blame them for being a bit gun shy after being ripped off so often. Even here on TDR you hear people discussing how they remove the aftermarket equipment before heading in for warranty work that seems related to the effects of their bombing. Truth is, those insurance companies have some cause to be careful too.

The methanol (or ethanol, etc) used to make biodiesel is 'used up' in the conversion to produce the final (Methy or Ethyl Ester) product. Excess alcohols are removed during washing, so no free alcohol is left.

Flashpoint of biodiesel is higher than #2 diesel when correctly manufactured.

For example: (Reference Yokayo Biofuels)

"Flashpoint - The lowest temperature in °C at which a liquid will produce enough vapor to ignite, if the vapor is flammable. The lower the flashpoint, the higher the risk of fire. Biodiesel has an abnormally high flashpoint (for a fuel), making it very safe to handle and store. Where diesel #2's flashpoint is standardized at 60°-80° C, biodiesel's standard is 100°-170° C."

When you land on the right mix for the DSE, you might try and figure out what the flashpoint of the finished product is, just so you have a better idea of the risks.

Since cars run with RUG at 100%, you know that gas alone isn't the danger. At the same time, they don't have fuel pumps generating the kind of pressure diesels do, that I know of.

My only point is to be careful - when I saw the references today, it simply brought another factor to light for consideration.

Life is full of tradeoffs, isn't it?

Mark

[cj hall]

Hello all
The cold weather is gone for now it will be back.
The best product so far is the biofuel treatment by FPPF
it work's down to 15 below was a liquid in bigger amounts i dont think there would be a problem with jelling, the cost is high 8 bucks a quart will treat 250 gallons of b20 but only 50 gallons of b100 also will work in blends like DSE and others
Will test the other products when the cold comes back high today was 41 right now its 34 deg's
Mixed up 50 gallons today and will be going to Helena Mt in the am, its about 550 miles round trip so this will give me about 1500 miles on this stuff so I think I will look at pulling a injector out next week if I get a chance,
does any one have a idea what Ii should look for once its pulled a pic of a injector thats in good shape and one that all coked up would be nice and I will post what I find also

thanks
cj hall

[cj hall]

Sorry , no time this week to pull injectors.
Think after the Christmas and New Years brakes things should be better
Still running on DSE blend fuel looking at biodiesel next any thoughts on the Appleseed style of units.
Thinking it might be fun to have both to play with
Have a great Christmas and a Happy New Year

[BPINE]

CJ you are having way to much fun, I have been reading this topic all along and it has been very informative.

As far as the Appleseed goes it works great and is very inexpensive. I chose to make mine out of a 55 gallon drum because it was free. Either way it works great but does take some work to get it all figured out. If you go that way there is a ton of info on http://biodiesel.infopop.cc/eve and http://www.utahbiodieselsupply.com/m...ewsupplies.php I am sure these sites will cover it all.

I seem to spend allot of time tinkering with my set up but so far it is all in fun but don't be fooled into bio thinking it is real quick and easy. If I can help in any way shoot me a PM.

Blair

[cj hall]

Hello
Put 24 gallons @ .70 cents per gallon of dse blend fuel in my 04 ctd today tonight,will top it off with #2 winter blend @ 2.41 per gallon this should be 70% dse 30% diesel total cost 1.24 per gallon not to bad
the truck is running great no problems in starting in the cold, temp is 25 deg warmer weather on the way
Need it to get more oil it's been so cold that all the oil is to thick to pump, Looking at starting a cooking oil supply that will supply oil to resturants and then pick up the oil and use it as fuel just not sure where to begin on this cooking oil runs about 3.35 per gallon in town and I can buy it for about 2.50 a gallon in bulk just need some time to get this all together and make it work.

Went in to the dodge dealer today needed a oil change in my 05 and 04 and got the head mec to reprogram the computer on my 05 so a fast idle is run with the cruise control up to 1500 rpms as you all know that the 05 have a 3rd event in the injection to keep the head cool for better nox output as per the epa rules (what a waste) the motor would be under 140 degs after 30 min of idle time this should make the engine run hotter and will help in keeping heat in the motor at an idle. I tryed it today and it work's great 200 deg after 1.5 hrs running at 1300 rpm with a full winter front inplace.

still looking for some one to tell us how to turn off the 3rd event but no luck yet
my wife just got home and she tryed it out for the first time the truck was hot and all most to hot inside the cab (her words) this is good for 04 to 06 with autos will be going back to get mine done only takes a few min to do.
getting closer to running dse fuel in the 05 ctd full time with these small mods the kitty shoud be off real soon so it should not smoke so bad
time will tell

[cj hall]

Merry Christmas to all

hello the good new is the truck runs great on this fuel the only problem is that i lost a lift pump yesterday at 2.30 pm and that they don't have one in stock to fix the truck also they told me that they have 10 units on order and that they need 8 of them to fix trucks they have. Could Dodge have a small problem with this pump ??? I think they might!
should be getting the truck back on tuesday only have 36247 miles on thiis so thats not great truck is very hard to steer without power but thats ok no one got hurt
merry christmas
talk to you later