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    Transfer of power..."healthcare reform"


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    Sounds to me...

    Sounds to me like someone who claims to be a attorney should be able to read. .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Champane Flight View Post
    Sounds to me like someone who claims to be a attorney should be able to read. .
    ssaa-wiiiing. . . . ana whiff. Unless of course, this was your way of telling us you aren't an attorney.
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    First of all..

    First of all this joker will have to show me where the new health reform bill says it allows healthcare for illegals, forced abortion, or rationed healthcare. His imagination is running away with his attorney ***. .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Champane Flight View Post
    First of all this joker will have to show me where the new health reform bill says it allows healthcare for illegals, forced abortion, or rationed healthcare. His imagination is running away with his attorney ***. .


    On the other hand, perhaps you can show where it specifically does not allow HC for illegals, abortion and rationing.
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    No, show me...

    Quote Originally Posted by Little Bill View Post
    On the other hand, perhaps you can show where it specifically does not allow HC for illegals, abortion and rationing.


    No, you show me where it allows healthcare for illegals. I am not the one making these claims, you and your attorney are. . .
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    Don't like what it says so kill the messenger.

    Big suprise, CF. Big suprise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Champane Flight View Post
    No, you show me where it allows healthcare for illegals. I am not the one making these claims, you and your attorney are. . .


    NO ! You show me !



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    CF, while you are researching that, look to see if the federal government has the right to do anything like a HC bill!!!

    P. S. ------- they don't because the states haven't given them the right to do it.
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    The health insurance industry sure can come up with some garbage when they're
    accused of being murderers and pushed into a corner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fox View Post
    CF, while you are researching that, look to see if the federal government has the right to do anything like a HC bill!!!

    P. S. ------- they don't because the states haven't given them the right to do it.


    It's power, not rights. POWER! No government in the US has any rights. They have only powers, and only those limited powers that we, the people, gave them. Who created the Declaration of Independence, the Articles of Federation and the Constitution of the United States? Was it the Several States? No! It was us, the People.



    I may sometimes sound like a broken record on this subject, but as long as we, the people, forget the difference between rights and limited powers, we will continue to throw away our rights whenever government thugs and citizen bullies insist they have the right to demand it, the right to force us to.
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    You are right.

    Thank you for correcting me.
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    Power?

    Quote Originally Posted by fest3er View Post
    It's power, not rights. POWER! No government in the US has any rights. They have only powers, and only those limited powers that we, the people, gave them. Who created the Declaration of Independence, the Articles of Federation and the Constitution of the United States? Was it the Several States? No! It was us, the People.



    I may sometimes sound like a broken record on this subject, but as long as we, the people, forget the difference between rights and limited powers, we will continue to throw away our rights whenever government thugs and citizen bullies insist they have the right to demand it, the right to force us to.


    Power over what? I hate to tell you this, but you are a slave to the almighty dollar, the insurance lobby, you have the right to be refused care and milked by every healthcare agent out there.



    We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.



    What part of "Promote the general welfare" don't you understand? Don't you believe that our general welfare and healthcare are one in the same? I have had your idea of freedom in healthcare, it sucks, I am willing to try anything new at this time. You only care for yourselves. . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Champane Flight View Post
    . . . Don't you believe that our general welfare and healthcare are one in the same?
    No, I don't.



    My further proof is that in no time during the lives of any of the framers of the document, was the concept of federal government funded health care ever conceived, let alone introduced and debated. I'm positive the framers of the document would find the entire concept repugnant. I'm sure they had a pretty good notion of what they intended with the phrase general welfare.



    What you socialist sloths fail to do, is to read. What does it say right after promote the general Welfare? It continues in the same sentence to include " and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity". Your interpretation of General Welfare is in direct contradiction to the rest of the sentence, not to mention the context of the entire document. Sucking on nobama's teat has a cost snowflake, and the cost is your freedom and liberty. I told you a week or two ago. . . you need to learn how to read before you can post. Otherwise you embarrass your self on the level of soiling your britches.



    You've just been sittin' on the porch too long, howling at the cars going by. You need to go back to work. You need to reconnect with reality. You need to quit asking for the government to provide for you that which you won't provide for yourself. The Constitution you quote guarantees you the right to be able to do that.
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    If you want health care, contact lenses, a Corvette or a house then go work for it. That's the American way. That's capitalism.

    And you get better quality health care if you are smart enough to run your life in a manner where you can afford it, rather than dumb enough to believe that you can get something for nothing by letting Uncle Sam provide it. In the long run, the increased taxes you'll end up paying will exceed what you would have paid getting Blue Cross and Blue Shield on your own!

    And if you can't afford it because you were too lazy or stupid to get an education and make yourself marketable, that's really not my bill to pay.

    Government health care sucks. Ask anyone in the military on Tricare! Ask retired people who rely on Medicare!

    Want the government to provide everything to you on a silver platter without some effort on your part? Move to Europe while they're still not bankrupt trying to bankroll their "Great Societies. "
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