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    Rightwing religious kooks...

    The Hutaree militia and the rising risk of far-right violence



    By Eugene Robinson

    Tuesday, March 30, 2010; A25 Washington Post







    The arrests of members of a Michigan-based "Christian" militia group should convince doubters that there is good reason to worry about right-wing, anti-government extremism -- and potential violence -- in the Age of Obama.



    I put the word Christian in quotes because anyone who plots to assassinate law enforcement officers, as a federal indictment alleges members of the Hutaree militia did, is no follower of Christ. According to federal prosecutors, the Hutaree -- the word's not in my dictionary, but its Web site claims it means "Christian warrior" -- are convinced that their enemies include "state and local law enforcement, who are deemed 'foot soldiers' of the federal government, federal law enforcement agencies and employees, participants in the 'New World Order,' and anyone who does not share in the Hutaree's beliefs. "



    According to the indictment, the group had been plotting for two years to assassinate federal, state or local police officers. "Possible such acts which were discussed," the indictment says, "included killing a member of law enforcement after a traffic stop, killing a member of law enforcement and his or her family at home, ambushing a member of law enforcement in rural communities, luring a member of law enforcement with a false 911 emergency call and then killing him or her, and killing a member of law enforcement and then attacking the funeral procession motorcade" with homemade bombs.



    Nine members of the Hutaree were named in the indictment. Eight were arrested during weekend FBI raids in Michigan, Ohio and Indiana; one suspect remains at large. The group's Web site shows members in camouflage outfits traipsing through woods in "training" exercises. They could be out for an afternoon of paintball, except for the loony rhetoric about "sword and flame" and the page, labeled "Gear," that links to several gun dealers. Along with numerous weapons offenses, the Hutaree are charged with sedition.



    The episode highlights the obvious: For decades now, the most serious threat of domestic terrorism has come from the growing ranks of paranoid, anti-government hate groups that draw their inspiration, vocabulary and anger from the far right.



    It is disingenuous for mainstream purveyors of incendiary far-right rhetoric to dismiss groups such as the Hutaree by saying that there are "crazies on both sides. " This simply is not true.



    There was a time when the far left was a spawning ground for political violence. The first big story I covered was the San Francisco trial of heiress Patricia Hearst, who had been kidnapped and eventually co-opted by the Symbionese Liberation Army -- a far-left group whose philosophy was as apocalyptic and incoherent as that of the Hutaree. There are aging radicals in Cuba today who got to Havana by hijacking airplanes in the 1970s. Left-wing radicals caused mayhem and took innocent lives.



    But for the most part, far-left violence in this country has gone the way of the leisure suit and the AMC Gremlin. An anti-globalization movement, including a few window-smashing anarchists, was gaining traction at one point, but it quickly diminished after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. An environmental group and an animal-rights group have been linked with incidents of arson. Beyond those particulars, it is hard to identify any kind of leftist threat.



    By contrast, there has been explosive growth among far-right, militia-type groups that identify themselves as white supremacists, "constitutionalists," tax protesters and religious soldiers determined to kill people to uphold "Christian" values. Most of the groups that posed a real danger, as the Hutaree allegedly did, have been infiltrated and dismantled by authorities before they could do any damage. But we should never forget that the worst act of domestic terrorism ever committed in this country was authored by a member of the government-hating right wing: Timothy McVeigh's bombing of the federal building in Oklahoma City.



    It is dishonest for right-wing commentators to insist on an equivalence that does not exist. The danger of political violence in this country comes overwhelmingly from one direction -- the right, not the left. The vitriolic, anti-government hate speech that is spewed on talk radio every day -- and, quite regularly, at Tea Party rallies -- is calibrated not to inform but to incite.



    Demagogues scream at people that their government is illegitimate, that their country has been "taken away," that their elected officials are "traitors" and that their freedom is at risk. They have a right to free speech, which I will always defend. But they shouldn't be surprised if some listeners take them literally.
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    double standard

    blah, blah, blah



    Isn't this where we should cut 'n paste a CF standard denial about whiney paranoid lefties?
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    "It is disingenuous for mainstream purveyors of incendiary far-right rhetoric to dismiss groups such as the Hutaree by saying that there are "crazies on both sides. " This simply is not true"



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    now that we have had our good laugh for the day from an anti religious left wing kook and his inslaved socilaist/facist followers (thieves may be a better description), on to a serious post
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    We still don't know the name for snowflake's higher power. I remember loncray's god was off in a corner getting drunk all the time. This post of snowflakes was a couple days later appearing than I thought it would be. He doesn't seem to miss an opportunity to slam all things Christian, no matter how remote the smell. Why is the intolerant preach tolerance?
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    10,528 extremest muslim attacks, and FINALLY they got one to blame on a Christian!
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    Quote Originally Posted by PFlory View Post
    10,528 extremest muslim attacks, and FINALLY they got one to blame on a Christuian!


    What's sad is the MSM is pushing the "Christian" part of the story as the important part. The part about wanting to kill people is just fluff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sarj View Post
    We still don't know the name for snowflake's higher power. I remember loncray's god was off in a corner getting drunk all the time. This post of snowflakes was a couple days later appearing than I thought it would be. He doesn't seem to miss an opportunity to slam all things Christian, no matter how remote the smell. Why is the intolerant preach tolerance?


    That's what devout atheists do, doncha know: one fork of their tongue screeches that everyone must be tolerant and loving and giving and caring while the other fork simultaneously berates all who don't worship them and the ground they walk on.



    . . .



    Wait. Now I'm confused. That sounds just like the description of LSDs. Shirley, that can't be.



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    Quote Originally Posted by fest3er View Post
    That's what devout atheists do, doncha know: one fork of their tongue screeches that everyone must be tolerant and loving and giving and caring while the other fork simultaneously berates all who don't worship them and the ground they walk on.



    . . .



    Wait. Now I'm confused. That sounds just like the description of LSDs. Shirley, that can't be.



    The intolerant preach tolerance because they lack the character and integrity to do it themselves.


    I don't give a crap what you think of me, and I certainly don't care if you want a make believe friend. I just don't want your silly arses to preach morals and integrity to me and mine. From what I have observed you know nothing of the subject. . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Champane Flight View Post
    . . . to me and mine. . . .
    you & your make-believe friend?
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    "Right wing, anti-government extremism"??? Is this what the liberal media calls it when conservatives oppose liberal's policies that dramatically increase the size, power and taxation power of government? I am certainly not "right wing" or "anti government" but I AM sick of the run-away spending, borrowing, taxation and government control. . . so if I oppose this, I am an extremist?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Champane Flight View Post
    I don't give a crap what you think of me, and I certainly don't care if you want a make believe friend. I just don't want your silly arses to preach morals and integrity to me and mine. From what I have observed you know nothing of the subject. . .


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    Its Happening Just as We Said it Would-- MILITIAS MUSTER-- Prevent Marital Law!!

    Submitted by Jdayh on Tue, 03/30/2010 - 18:50

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    --NO PIPE BOMBS FOUND



    --NO MUSLIMS THREATENED



    --THE WHOLE MILITIA RAID BY THE FEDS WAS BASED ON LIES!!



    WoW!!! Across the country . . . militias responded en-mass!! They did not go hide inside their homes. . . They got out into the field!!! PLEASE WATCH THIS VIDEO. . . THE MSM IS NOT REPORTING THE TRUTH!! Spread the word!! Spread the video. . . (mods please embed)

    YouTube - Its Happening Just as We Said it Would





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    "Arrested Michigan Militia Leader Was A Ron Paul Fanatic". . . FOX NEWS Reports (of course)

    Submitted by pawnstorm12 on Tue, 03/30/2010 - 18:56

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    THE ROTTED FOX NEWS IS SMEARING RON PAUL'S NAME AGAIN.



    FOX VIDEO HERE:

    YouTube - Michigan Hutaree militia leader was a Ron Paul supporter. . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Champane Flight View Post
    I don't give a crap what you think of me, and I certainly don't care if you want a make believe friend. I just don't want your silly arses to preach morals and integrity to me and mine. From what I have observed you know nothing of the subject. . .


    You don't want to hear about morals and integrity? That seems about right. Where do liberal whackjobs and athiests think morals come from? I guess they think morals and integrity come from other ahtiests and liberal whackjobs. I believe that to be incorrect. I may be going out on a limb, but I believe morals come from God. No offense.



    It reminds me of 1 Corinthians 1:18.



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