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    Obama and Business

    I love business! Claims the General Secretary as they all run as fast and as far away as they can.
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    Yep; and a rapist loves women. . .
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    The truth

    July 8, 2010

    Pity the Poor C. E. O. ’s

    By PAUL KRUGMAN

    Job creation has been disappointing, but first-quarter corporate profits were up 44 percent from a year earlier. Consumers are nervous, but the Dow, which was below 8,000 on the day President Obama was inaugurated, is now over 10,000. In a rational universe, American business would be very happy with Mr. Obama.



    But no. All the buzz lately is that the Obama administration is “antibusiness. ” And there are widespread claims that fears about taxes, regulation and budget deficits are holding down business spending and blocking economic recovery.



    How much truth is there to these claims? None. Business spending is indeed low, but no lower than one would have expected given widespread overcapacity and weak consumer spending. Business leaders are feeling unloved, but giving them a group hug won’t cure what ails the economy.



    Ask the Obama-is-scaring-business crowd for some actual evidence supporting their claim, and they’ll tell you that business spending on plant and equipment is at its lowest level, as a share of G. D. P. , in 40 years. What they don’t mention is the fact that business investment always falls sharply when the economy is depressed. After all, why should businesses expand their production capacity when they’re not selling enough to use the capacity they already have? And in case you haven’t noticed, we still have a deeply depressed economy.



    Historically, there has been a close relationship between the level of business investment and the “output gap,” the difference between the economy’s actual output and its long-run trend — which means that there’s nothing surprising about low investment now, given the fact that the output gap is hugely negative. If anything, it’s surprising how well business investment has been holding up.



    Alternatively, we can look directly at measures of unused business capacity. Capacity utilization in industry is up over the past year, but still far below historical norms. Vacancy rates at industrial and retail properties are at historic highs. Again, given that businesses have plenty of idle structures and machines, why should they be building or buying even more?



    So where’s the evidence that an antibusiness climate is depressing spending? The answer, supposedly, is that this is what you hear when you talk to entrepreneurs. But don’t believe it. Yes, when you talk to business people they complain about taxes, regulations and the deficit; they always do. But the Obama’s-socialist-policies-are-wrecking-the-economy chorus isn’t coming from businesses; it’s coming from business lobbyists, which isn’t at all the same thing. Read the report on the U. S. Chamber of Commerce in the latest Washington Monthly: peddling scare stories about what Democrats are up to is a large part of what organizations like the chamber do for a living.



    Or read through the latest survey of small business trends by the National Federation for Independent Business, an advocacy group. The commentary at the front of the report is largely a diatribe against government — “Washington is applying leeches and performing blood-letting as a cure” — and you might naïvely imagine that this diatribe reflects what the surveyed businesses said. But while a few businesses declared that the political climate was deterring expansion, they were vastly outnumbered by those citing a poor economy.



    The charts at the back of the report, showing trends in business perceptions of their “most important problem,” are even more revealing. It turns out that business is less concerned about taxes and regulation than during the 1990s, an era of booming investment. Concerns about poor sales, on the other hand, have surged. The weak economy, not fear about government actions, is what’s holding investment down.



    So why are we hearing so much about the alleged harm being inflicted by an antibusiness climate? For the most part it’s the same old, same old: lobbyists trying to bully Washington into cutting taxes and dismantling regulations, while extracting bigger fees from their clients along the way.



    Beyond that, business leaders are, as I said, feeling unloved: the financial crisis, health insurance scandals, and the catastrophe in the Gulf of Mexico have taken a toll on their reputation. Somehow, however, rather than blaming their peers for bad behavior, C. E. O. ’s blame Mr. Obama for “demonizing” business — by which they apparently mean speaking frankly about the culpability of the guilty parties.



    Well, C. E. O. ’s are people, too — but soothing their hurt feelings isn’t a priority right now, and it has nothing at all to do with promoting economic recovery. If we want stronger business spending, we need to give businesses a reason to spend. And to do that, the government needs to start doing more, not less, to promote overall economic recovery.
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    Krugman says it, so it must be true.



    Krugman is an Obama schill. Deal with it, know it and embrace the truth of it.

    The last thing you should do with Krugman's work is use it to prove anything about Obama-unless you're trying to prove that Obama has a long line of rump kissing minions.



    Now, if Lou Dobbs proved your point?; you'd have something to post.
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    Just more obama campaign hype. As soon as our country is converted fully into a socialist nation, everything will be OK. All your worries will be gone. Healthcare will be rationed to you so dont worry.



    Just submit to the way, vote democrat and the black panthers wont kill your cracker baby.



    Remember to reach out to the muslim nations, maybe your life will be saved if you convert from your infidel ways.



    Thank goodness we have someone in charge of healthcare that believes it is the best way to redistribute wealth.



    See all your worries are over.



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    Your just p/oed because runaway capitalism dumped this nation into recession. . Lou Dobbs? Isn't he a talk show host? OK, he has a BA in economics, lets see, Krugman has a BA, a PHD, a Nobel prize, taught at Yale, Harvard, MIT, Berkley, London, Princeton, Stanford, and a member of the group of thirty. . Yeap, if we can now take out all the Republican obstruction, we can finally have some real growth. . .
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    CF, I enjoy your posts, but as soon as I see a cut 'n paste with Krugman's name, my eyes roll back in my head and I skip right over it. Please tell me in your own words what you think it says and why you think it has any truth to it.
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    CF, just wondering, what should we replace capitalism with??
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    Quote Originally Posted by SRath View Post
    CF, I enjoy your posts, but as soon as I see a cut 'n paste with Krugman's name, my eyes roll back in my head and I skip right over it. Please tell me in your own words what you think it says and why you think it has any truth to it.


    Libs don't have thier own words or thought.



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    Negative

    The opposing party loyalists cannot stand the present administration to have a original idea, or for that matter a moment of success. Now the article itself is about the liars of the Republican, (so called) conservative, ********* section of the monkey farm. Claims of the present administration is holding back growth because of more regulation and taxes are basically lies fed to us by the above groups and loyal Republicant sources, WISHING the economy to fail under Obamas rule. I cannot fathom why anyone in this nation could pump the crap that hurts the present economy, sorry it aint working. Double dip predictors, claims of TARP not working, claims of pending doom, and other calamity befalling us are just crystal ball voodoo. . Get over it boys a balance of socialist and capitalist principle, with responsible regulation on both will be the best medicine. . .



    Surprise: So far, TARP is a moneymaker - Yahoo! News
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  11. CF, I think the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, ADM Mullen, knows more about our nation's security than Krugman. And the "biggest threat to our national security, is . . .

    Note: The reporter at the beginning of the video misquotes the CJCS when she inserts the word, "defense. "

    Krugman's economics have been disproven in theory and in fact by FDR's depression and Carter's stagflation. You can add all the letters you want after, in front, or in the middle of his name , but it won't change reality.

    Stocks are up when valued in inflated currency. There is money flowing into stocks because investors are running away from bonds and want to put their money somewhere. Unemployment is up. Foreclosures are up. The national debt is up. The economy is down and trending deeper.
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  12. A small sample from Barack Obama Cannot, Will Not and Does Not Want to ‘Create Jobs’ by Andrew Mellon:

    As many thrills as he sends up Chris Matthews’ leg and despite his ability to walk on water, Barack Obama like all legislators cannot create jobs. All any politician can do is take resources from the private sector and allocate them according to his or her own fancy, often towards favored constituencies, at a prohibitive and wasteful cost.



    Instead of letting individuals determine how best to allocate land, labor and capital based upon their own subjective values and aspirations, the government in its self-attributed divine wisdom believes it is morally right for it to squander other people’s money. Apparently, we are not ourselves capable of deciding how to dispense with our property, and deal with the consequences of such actions good or bad.

    . . .

    Any and all government “stimulus” retards growth because it removes current and future wealth from its producers and gives it to central planners who are not subject to the market but to voters, a significant part of which do not pay for the bread and circuses they demand, sadly trading their liberty for a false economic security that ends in the collapse of the welfare state while stripping real job creators of their property and the incentive to create. In case the moral argument and this brief economic one do not suit you, I suggest reading and sending to as many people you can Henry Hazlitt’s simple classic “Economics in One Lesson,” and specifically this chapter on public works, which explains the myriad economic fallacies pervading the nation with regard to public works.



    Indeed, the only jobs that Barack Obama will “create,” will not be jobs in the traditional sense but make-work undertakings that the private sector, i. e. sovereign, voluntarily acting individuals would never put their money behind. And you can bet they will be union jobs, paying above market wages certainly making inefficient use of the land, labor and capital that real businesses would best make use of were not our whole economy being either hyper-regulated or socialized.



    A politician cannot create jobs but only remove impediments to their creation, allowing for innovation, entrepreneurship and investments through creating a stable legal framework, applied equally and to all and steeped in maximal individual liberty, the sanctity of contracts and the protection of property rights.

    . . .

    Until I see any evidence to the contrary, after the nightmarish first year and a half of this administration, I will confidently argue that Obama and his cohorts are intentionally crushing our economy. I will confidently argue that this administration cannot, will not and has no desire to create the conditions necessary for job creation. All we can do in such times is be the biggest, baddest loyal opposition this nation has ever seen.
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    The funny thing is CF, the Republicans can't do JACK! They do not have a majority in either side of congress and that means that the democrats can do whatever they want. Let's not blame the republicans for being obstructionists.

    Funny though, I think that if they disagree with policy, they should be obstructionists. That is how the system should work in this country. If they listen to their constituents (big IF there) and the constituents say they are opposed to a policy, what should the elected official do? Who do they work for. . . their party or the people that elected them? So when we throw the word "obstructionists" around in some derroguatory fashion, in reality. . . they are doing their job! I wish more of them would listen to the people instead of the party leaders. We are seeing this in Arizona right now. The American public is overwhelmingly in favor of SB 1070 and yet my federal government is suing me because they are not doing their job! WTH???
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    No cigar,, again...

    No the reason for the length of the depression was NOT the actions of FDR, it was the lack of government spending that held us down, if the government would have backed a TARP type fund back then the depression would not have been. Much better/smarter/intelligent/educated people than Mellon, or Mullen have studied the depression at length for the majority of their lives, Bernake, Krugman, and others. Next thing you will try to tell me is that trickle down economy works. . . . RIGHT. . .



    Headless bodies and other immigration tall tales in Arizona



    By Dana Milbank

    Sunday, July 11, 2010;







    Jan Brewer has lost her head.



    The Arizona governor, seemingly determined to repel every last tourist dollar from her pariah state, has sounded a new alarm about border violence. "Our law enforcement agencies have found bodies in the desert either buried or just lying out there that have been beheaded," she announced on local television.



    Ay, caramba! Those dark-skinned foreigners are now severing the heads of fair-haired Americans? Maybe they're also scalping them or shrinking them or putting them on a spike.



    But those in fear of losing parts north of the neckline can relax. There's not a follicle of evidence to support Brewer's claim.



    The Arizona Guardian Web site checked with medical examiners in Arizona's border counties and the coroners said they had never seen an immigration-related beheading. I called and e-mailed Brewer's press office requesting documentation of decapitation; no reply.



    Brewer's mindlessness about headlessness is just one of the immigration falsehoods being spread by Arizona politicians. Border violence on the rise? Phoenix becoming the world's No. 2 kidnapping capital? Illegal immigrants responsible for most police killings? The majority of those crossing the border are drug mules? All wrong.



    This matters, because it means the entire premise of the Arizona immigration law is a fallacy. Arizona officials say they've had to step in because federal officials aren't doing enough to stem increasing border violence. The scary claims of violence, in turn, explain why the American public supports the Arizona crackdown.



    Last year gave us death panels and granny killings, but compared with the nonsense justifying the immigration crackdown, the health-care debate was an evening at the Oxford Union Society.



    Two months ago, the Arizona Republic published an exhaustive report that found that, according to statistics from the FBI and Arizona police agencies, crime in Arizona border towns has been "essentially flat for the past decade. " For example, "In 2000, there were 23 rapes, robberies and murders in Nogales, Ariz. Last year, despite nearly a decade of population growth, there were 19 such crimes. " The Pima County sheriff reported that "the border has never been more secure. "



    FBI statistics show violent crime rates in all of the border states are lower than they were a decade ago -- yet Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz. ) reports that the violence is "the worst I have ever seen. " President Obama justifiably asserted last week that "the southern border is more secure today than any time in the past 20 years," yet Rush Limbaugh judged the president to be "fit for the psycho ward" on the basis of that remark.



    Without question, illegal immigration and Mexican drug cartels are huge problems. And there is a real danger that the alarming and growing violence in Mexico could spread north. But beyond anecdotes -- the slaying of a rancher and the shooting of a sheriff's deputy -- there is no evidence that it has.



    Yet there is McCain -- second only to Brewer in wrecking Arizona tourism -- telling NBC, ABC and CNN that Phoenix is the "No. 2 kidnapping capital of the world" behind only Mexico City. "False," judged Politifact, tracing McCain's claim to a dubious report by ABC News in February 2009. Law-enforcement agencies generally don't track kidnapping statistics, but experts said rates are far higher in various Central American, African and Asian countries. Reports of kidnapping in Phoenix, meanwhile, are declining.



    Next, there's Brewer's claim that "the majority" of people immigrating illegally "are coming here and they're bringing drugs, and they're doing drop houses and they're extorting people and they're terrorizing the families. That is the truth. " No, it isn't. The Border Patrol's Tucson Sector has apprehended more than 170,000 undocumented immigrants since Oct. 1, but only about 1,100 drug prosecutions have been filed in Arizona in that time.



    The claim that illegal immigrants are behind most killings of law-enforcement personnel is also bunk. Arizona state Sen. Sylvia Allen claimed that "in the last few years 80 percent of our law enforcement that have been killed or wounded have been by an illegal. " A Phoenix police spokesman told the Arizona Republic's E. J. Montini that the real figure for killings is less than 25 percent, and that there are no statistics on wounded officers.



    So what is this "terrible border security crisis" that Brewer says has only "gotten worse"? She complained recently to Fox News's Greta Van Susteren about the Obama administration's handling of the border: "They haven't did [sic] their job. "



    But really the person who hasn't did her job is Brewer. She should screw her head back on and start telling Americans the truth.
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    Oh my goodness! Are you kidding me with this obviously non-informed pile of hooey?!?! I LIVE HERE and ITS ALL TRUE! My brother is a cop here and I hear his stories all the time. Why do you think the vast majority of Arizonans are for SB1070? You must believe all you read by the left. Yeah, the border is so safe that the Pinal County sheriff has now been green lighted by the mexican drug cartel leaders. (Green Lighted is marked for death by an assigned assassin who puts his own family at risk if he does not make the kill). Yes, it is so safe that we now have signs that tell us to stay out of our own national parks because of the drug gang activity and human smugglers that occupy the areas. Obama has his head so far up there it is scary. Listen, CF, you obviously don't know what you're talking about as evidenced by the idiotic story you posted. Please. . . you need to get the facts before you tell me about where I live and what I see with my own eyes.

    Yes. . . the dead bodies are a regular occurrance and I don't care what nationality or skin color they are. . . they are humans and they are dead because of the dangerous people that have no regard for our country's laws or human life.
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