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    Repeal violates GOPs pledge to America

    The act of repeal of health care violates the GOPs own pledge to offer deficit neutral legislation. In fact they are out of order if they even bring it up according to their own new rules. What a bunch of clueless forkheads!



    Repealing health-care reform would cost $230 billion over 10 years -- and more after that

    By Ezra Klein

    The Congressional Budget Office took a look at the Republican repeal bill and came back with some numbers (pdf) the GOP isn't going to like. Jon Cohn summarizes:



    The news from the CBO is exactly what you would have thought: Getting rid of the Affordable Care Act will mean higher deficits. The CBO is projecting that repeal would increase the federal deficit by around $230 billion in the next decade and by an even larger amount after that.



    Wait, there's more. The CBO also estimated how repeal would affect insurance premiums. And, once again, the effect is entirely predictable. Premiums for people buying coverage on their own would fall a bit, but only because people were getting less protective insurance and because many with pre-existing conditions would be locked out of the market altogether. And even though premiums would be lower, many people buying coverage on their own would still end up paying more for their policies, because they would not benefit from the enormous subsidies that the Affordable Care Act makes available.



    Speaking of people locked out of the insurance market, the CBO ran the numbers on the uninsured. An additional 32 million people would be expected to go without health insurance, bringing the percentage of non-elderly adults without coverage to 17 percent, which is more or less what it is today.



    Rep. Anthony Wiener is pushing an amendment to the repeal legislation that would say no such legislation could pass unless it was deficit neutral. The odds that Republicans allow his amendment to be offered -- much less embrace it as part of their crusade to cut the size of the deficit -- do not seem good.
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    the cbo numbers you are quoting are what the deocrates, tailyored and gave the cbo to compute and the present to the world

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    Where did you go to school to figure that the CBO had the right numbers after they have came out more than once and said the deficit will increasae with the new health care. The whole thing is a shell game come on.
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    KLauber,



    I posted in another thread and you have yet to address - Post #28







    As for the tripe in your original post in this thread:



    Ezra Klein and Rep. Anthony Wiener? Are you serious?



    Those self-righteous and completely clueless and mathematically challenged individuals couldn't pour water out of a boot with instructions on the heel.



    Repealing the horrible abomination bill, that was passed against the will of the majority and some of the minority, should only be a first step to regulating insurance properly and allowing for competition across State lines while reducing the oligopoly by Underwriters for all types of insurance - namely medical malpractice.



    A dream I have is that insurance doesn't exist at all. The true cost of care is experienced (much lower without a middle-man, but still expensive) and most people would choose healthier lives so doctors and nurses could focus on those truly in need of medical attention. Dream big, it doesn't cost anymore and it also removes adverse selection and moral hazard all at the same time.



    Insurance is a huge redistribution of wealth that used to be laughed at by sensible people. Insurance salesmen were left in the cold with snake-oil/elixir salesmen. We should take a page from those books and leave insurance and pharmaceuticals at the door.



    Why do stiffy pills and baldness cures cost less than cancer treatments? None of them are cured, only abated for a time being. Yet, treating cancer costs millions, but giving irresponsible teens/young adults and old men a means to achieve 36 hours of continuously disappointing sexual displeasure with women everywhere seems to be our collective priority. Maybe Harry Reid has more influence with big Pharma than we realize.





    Giving up and trying to insure the 40 million uninsured via this Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act we only seek to desparage the 260 million people that already work to provide it for themselves. It was never about the uninsured. It was and is about power and control. Look at the cost savings if we don't implement all of the bureaucracies that are/were included in this bill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MegaTony06 View Post
    KLauber,



    I posted in another thread and you have yet to address - Post #28. . .
    Get used to it Tony. Hammersley screams everything in CAPITAL LETTTERS!!!!!!!!!! so we'll 'get it'. Snowflake . . . . well he's just snowflake, but I get the sense he honestly tries to defend his opinions. Ken, on the other hand, has yet to thoughtfully engage any issues after throwing a few digs out there after being repeatedly called on it. I've lost track of all the threads he's ignored after being asked a fair question. My favorite question he ignores is if he supports a congress that needs to pass bills in order to see what's in them. . . any time you're ready Ken, we can talk about it. You answer that one and it will take us into any subjects you want to talk about, starting with your favorites; health care and federal deficits.
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    Review & Outlook: ObamaCare's Reality Deficit - WSJ. com


    This is for the tards. It puts it out there in black and white to see how the books are cooked for this BS bill.
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    GOP special interests got everything they wanted in the health care bill, with one exception, the right to cancel your policy when you get seriously sick. So if Boner gets his way, don't get seriously sick. So if the private insurance is just a con, why bother paying your premiums.
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    GOP special interests? You and snowflake must get your information from the same source, the DNC.

    The GOP did not want anything to do with the original. As pointed out in the article is was a PARTISAN line vote with BIPARTISAN opposition.

    The demtards wanted it so badly they threw everything under the sun into it and you tards are now crying about something YOU wanted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CBlack View Post
    Review & Outlook: ObamaCare's Reality Deficit - WSJ. com





    This is for the tards. It puts it out there in black and white to see how the books are cooked for this BS bill.


    It puts it out there unsigned with more special interest propaganda. But yes, it will be extremely expensive as long as the "health Care" lobby is determined to get a cut of anything provided to the US public. The only cost effective national health care is single payer like every other leading industrial nation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bheiting View Post
    The only cost effective national health care is single payer like every other leading industrial nation.
    Which is why they're privatizing their systems and enacting austerity measures, right?

    And we all know Medicare and Medicaid are so well funded and cost effective. . . .
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    Chad,

    You're far too intelligent to waste your time trying to have a discussion with those two demtard robots.

    I have more effective and satisfying conversations with my two female German Shepherds. They listen attentively, tilting their heads back and forth in an effort to better understand, and most of the time do their best to do what I ask them to do. Far more satisfying than talking with a dumocrap robot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HBarlow View Post
    Chad,



    You're far too intelligent to waste your time trying to have a discussion with those two demtard robots.



    I have more effective and satisfying conversations with my two female German Shepherds. They listen attentively, tilting their heads back and forth in an effort to better understand, and most of the time do their best to do what I ask them to do. Far more satisfying than talking with a dumocrap robot.


    Typically I would not but I'm offshore and have had nothing to do for over a month.



    So I try and pick fights with libtards. It's an unfair fight I know, but it gives me something to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CBlack View Post
    Typically I would not but I'm offshore and have had nothing to do for over a month.



    So I try and pick fights with libtards. It's an unfair fight I know, but it gives me something to do.


    Damn what did you do for kicks before the internet CBlack!!?



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